<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2120005902003838275</id><updated>2011-07-28T22:13:03.379-07:00</updated><title type='text'>,</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://educate4less.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2120005902003838275/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://educate4less.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Bob</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14093324669893684031</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>3</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2120005902003838275.post-5437899188774720811</id><published>2010-03-28T06:25:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-03-29T05:51:42.704-07:00</updated><title type='text'>When "Selectivity" Measures go Goofy</title><content type='html'>&lt;i&gt;Or, Why State Colleges Should Offer Free X-Boxes with Every Room&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9dQyev_Oe3I/S69Y0abEz_I/AAAAAAAAACM/bMtk97VPaIA/s1600/Xbox360full_500x526.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="200" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9dQyev_Oe3I/S69Y0abEz_I/AAAAAAAAACM/bMtk97VPaIA/s200/Xbox360full_500x526.jpg" width="190" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Coming soon...&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2120005902003838275-5437899188774720811?l=educate4less.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://educate4less.blogspot.com/feeds/5437899188774720811/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://educate4less.blogspot.com/2010/03/when-selectivity-measures-go-upside.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2120005902003838275/posts/default/5437899188774720811'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2120005902003838275/posts/default/5437899188774720811'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://educate4less.blogspot.com/2010/03/when-selectivity-measures-go-upside.html' title='When &quot;Selectivity&quot; Measures go Goofy'/><author><name>Bob</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14093324669893684031</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9dQyev_Oe3I/S69Y0abEz_I/AAAAAAAAACM/bMtk97VPaIA/s72-c/Xbox360full_500x526.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2120005902003838275.post-8424086762608985125</id><published>2009-10-15T20:17:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-10-21T21:35:52.201-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Student Achievement and College Cost</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9dQyev_Oe3I/StfpJ4zD8qI/AAAAAAAAABM/Z0LkRQqVrGI/s1600-h/college+kids3.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5393035434874106530" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9dQyev_Oe3I/StfpJ4zD8qI/AAAAAAAAABM/Z0LkRQqVrGI/s200/college+kids3.jpg" style="cursor: hand; float: left; height: 200px; margin: 0px 10px 10px 0px; width: 133px;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;Does your student's level of academic success factor into the amount of money you pay for her college education? You bet. If there's an "immutable law" buried in the maze of counter-intuitive and contradictory financial aid guidelines, it is this: &lt;em&gt;The better the student, the cheaper the degree.&lt;/em&gt;"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;We have visited with hundreds of parents over the last eight years and the nearly universal chorus is, "Can we afford private college?" Given that the average private college is now $44,000 and the average &lt;em&gt;in-state&lt;/em&gt; public college is $20,000 (out-of-state publics average $37,000) the answer would seem obvious. But like many aspects of college planning, what appears to be so, isn't.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The reason is that the private colleges are more generally more generous with their financial aid awards than are the publics and their generosity is not limited to the &lt;em&gt;amount&lt;/em&gt; of aid but extends to the &lt;em&gt;type&lt;/em&gt; of aid. Our firm is based in New Jersey, where Rutgers' "list price" is about $24,000. Harvard's list price, on the other hand, is $54,000. Rutgers awards aid on average up to 51% of a family's eligibility ("need"), leaving the family short 49%; Harvard awards aid to 100% of need. As importantly, in our view, Harvard's aid package is generally 93% FREE money ("gift-aid" that need not be repaid) while Rutgers' package will generally be only 45% free money, with the rest being loans and/or federal work study. For PA readers, Penn State's in-state numbers are $28,000/61% of need/39% free money.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;Let's examine how this plays out for a family that earns $125,000 with $40,000 in savings and investments, $250,000 in IRAs and 401(k)s and a $300,000 mortgage on a $500,000 home:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;This family qualifes for no financial aid at Rutgers so their cost will be $24,000 per year. They qualify for $33,000 in financial aid at Harvard, of which $31,000 is free money. So Harvard costs the family &lt;em&gt;$21,000&lt;/em&gt; ($54,000 list minus $33,000 in aid) per year while Rutgers costs the family &lt;em&gt;$24,000 &lt;/em&gt;per year. Can the family afford private college? We think so!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;But getting back to our first paragraph, the family does not get Harvard's aid award offer if the student does not get into Harvard. A smiliar situation plays out for the "near-Ivies" and other private colleges. The better the student, the cheaper the degree.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;One other note: Only 48% of kids graduate Rutgers in four years while 88% graduate Harvard in four. So the Rutgers degree is even more expensive. We do these types of analyses every day for free. Talk to us; we can help.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2120005902003838275-8424086762608985125?l=educate4less.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://educate4less.blogspot.com/feeds/8424086762608985125/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://educate4less.blogspot.com/2009/10/student-achievement-and-college-cost.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2120005902003838275/posts/default/8424086762608985125'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2120005902003838275/posts/default/8424086762608985125'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://educate4less.blogspot.com/2009/10/student-achievement-and-college-cost.html' title='Student Achievement and College Cost'/><author><name>Bob</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14093324669893684031</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9dQyev_Oe3I/StfpJ4zD8qI/AAAAAAAAABM/Z0LkRQqVrGI/s72-c/college+kids3.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2120005902003838275.post-5958381609205621981</id><published>2009-08-07T13:24:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-12-02T13:06:17.565-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Community College: Cheaper?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9dQyev_Oe3I/StfgeYFv5LI/AAAAAAAAAAc/dUqrLdoA-_M/s1600-h/secret.jpg"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5393025891266716850" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9dQyev_Oe3I/StfgeYFv5LI/AAAAAAAAAAc/dUqrLdoA-_M/s200/secret.jpg" style="float: left; height: 200px; margin: 0px 10px 10px 0px; width: 133px;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;The NJ Stars program of community college attendance for two years then transfer, as a junior, to a state four-year college saves top students a lot of money, right? Wrong. While community college may be worthwhile for some, for top students eligible for NJ Stars, it entails three disadvantages rarely discussed: Cost, time and risk.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;Under the NJ Stars program, top students can attend community college tuition-free and then transfer to a four-year public NJ college (if the student excels at community college, she can get a $3,500 per semester tuition scholarship, four semester maximum, under Stars II). Top students however, are also often able to gain admission to top private colleges that offer generous amounts of financial aid, right out of high school.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a name='more'&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;A calculation of anticipated college cost and financial aid for two NJ families reveals the potential economic pitfall of starting at community college. Each family of four has a graduating high school senior and similar amount in savings. The Smith Family earns $75,000 per year and the Jones Family earns $150,000. Each family can send their child to community college tuition-free (but not cost-free; there are auto, gas, food and incidental costs) for two years via NJ Stars.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;So how can that be a bad thing? Most parents - and frankly, too many guidance counselors - mistakenly believe that most children graduate college in four years. At NJ state colleges - the ones eligible under NJ Stars - the facts tell a different tale. Only 42% of Kean University’s freshmen, for instance graduate within SIX years; at Montclair State, only 27% graduate in four and at Rutgers, 53% require five or more years. Each college’s “list price” is over $25,000 annually. At Boston College (BC) and Princeton by contrast, with “list prices” over $50,000, close to 90% graduate in four years. Now, let’s factor in expected financial aid:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;College should cost the $75k Smith Family, post financial aid, the following for 2009: Kean - $16,324; Montclair - $13,550; Rutgers - $13,337; BC - $9,445 and Princeton - $7,648. Yes, you read that right - the $50,000 colleges cost far less than the $25,000 ones. Add to this the likelihood that state colleges will require at least five years while BC and Princeton should take four and the cost savings advantage for the “expensive” colleges widens.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;So if a student goes to “free” community college and then state “four-year” colleges, she may spend three, if not four, years in addition to her two at community college. The Smith’s cost for three years, maybe four, at the state colleges (in addition to the tuition-free ones at community) is between $48,000 and $65,000 versus the $30,000 and $40,000 four-year out-of-pocket cost at the elite private colleges. Clearly, for this family, community college plus state schools cost more money than private college.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;For the $150,000 Jones family - who will not receive nearly as much financial aid as the Smiths - the numbers are not as dramatically in favor of going straight to an elite private college. But when one factors in that the student may enter the workforce a year or two sooner (at say $25,000 per year) by going the private college route, the economic costs are virtually identical. For the excellent students who qualify for NJ Stars and Stars II, proper advance planning can make the cost of immediately attending an elite private college less than the community college/state college offering available through NJ Stars.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;The community college route, clearly not always cost effective, also potentially delays a student’s entry into the workforce and the wages not earned while attending college. Career advancement and the maturation process that associating with older adults and mentors provides is placed on hold.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;And finally, there are academic risks to the “community-college-then-four-year-college” approach: According to U.S. Department of Education statistics, only 60% of students entering four-year colleges earn bachelor’s degrees within six years. Only 31% of community college students, however, earn a bachelor’s degree within six years; and only 26% of U.S. community college students ever even transfer to a four-year institution. Top NJ students will most likely be among other top students by enrolling directly at challenging private colleges.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'; font-size: 85%;"&gt;Community college may provide opportunity for some students but most top-tier high school graduates will be better served - and spend less money on education - by going directly to the private colleges at which they get accepted. A scientific career/college search and selection, along with advanced cost-benefit analysis (including the effects of possible financial aid), for a family’s unique situation - rather than a reliance on private college “list prices” and marketing pitches from community colleges - is critical to making the right college selection decision.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2120005902003838275-5958381609205621981?l=educate4less.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://educate4less.blogspot.com/feeds/5958381609205621981/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://educate4less.blogspot.com/2009/08/community-college-first-cheaper-not.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2120005902003838275/posts/default/5958381609205621981'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2120005902003838275/posts/default/5958381609205621981'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://educate4less.blogspot.com/2009/08/community-college-first-cheaper-not.html' title='Community College: Cheaper?'/><author><name>NJB</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_vengmKEsSvE/S4KVK8DSzTI/AAAAAAAAAGk/owmhxL8ST9k/S220/Blue+Old+School.jpg'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9dQyev_Oe3I/StfgeYFv5LI/AAAAAAAAAAc/dUqrLdoA-_M/s72-c/secret.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry></feed>
